
aku ckp pasal ni sbb aku sakit hati tgk design depa after depa add aku di mespes. so aku usha2 gakla apa yg best. rupa2nya x best. pergh.. mniru je keje. ada pulak design yg amek gmba dr tenet mana2 then boh label depa je kt tgh2. uwhh.. sucks dude. xde keje len ka? nk untung je. indie clothing skang da x rare cam dlu. idea2 org ataupun hak intelek org bnyk diciplak cam tu je. sakit hati je mata memandang. tiru sana tiru sini. kalo dlu idea bubuh tu
lisan mrepek2 kt depan mcm 'saya jiwa kacau' yg nmpak rare n hav its own idea da diciplak camtu je. siyes sakit hati beb. bila sorang kuar idea, yg len lak tiru2 kan. x best ah. yela aku tawu seni itu adalah peniruan (rujuk teori2 seni, aku blajaq seni la ngok. lupa je lama x bkk buku) tp pada2 r nk tiru pon kan. wat la menda lain pulak. ni untung je pe cer or bajet hg tu designer yg power r. haha. btul gak la ckp Anna dlu yang pnah menimbulkan kontroversi dengan hampir kesemua indie clothing label dengan mengeluarkan propagandanya. (propaganda tu apa.. haha)
so ini la yang terjadinya dlu. hampir kecoh bulletin kt mespes dibuatnya. smua indie clothing label terasa giler dgn nate nih. aku sndrik siap copy lagi each words yg depa gadohkan kat bulletin. dlu aku da boh da kt blog. aku buang balik tp da sakit hati pnya pasal aku boh balik r. bukan apa. bukan nk gado tp just nk mengingatkan balik apa yg da jadi dan ikhtibarnya. chewah ayat. heheh. (btw Anna if u read this, sorry k. xde niat nk gado tp utk kita sume gak nk kualiti yg best2 kan. sorry again sbb guna ur propaganda n ur words kt bulletin dlu. just for nk amek ikhtibar ok. sorry2...)
*sue anna joe*
To all Malaysian designers / indie clothing labels / buyers
Hey everyone.
Some of you might have noticed the recent issue that a number of us has brought up, about our local 'indie clothing labels', yang macam cendawan sejak kebelakangan ni.
Mungkin, (oh btw, apologies to those who don't understand Malay!!). Mungkin terdapat sesetengah pihak terutamanya ahli clothing labels ni, yang tak berpuas hati dengan cara teguran kami.
Anna mintak maaf pada 'I Heart KL', 'Street Signal', 'Jiwa Kosong' & memana yang lain tu. Yeah, maybe agak terlalu kasar sindirin Anna dan kami yang lain2 terhadap design2 korang.
Anna terbuka untuk menerima sebarang respon dari korang, I would love to hear what you guys have to say on your behalf. Of course Anna ucapkan terima kasih because you guys actually put up the effort to come up with your own indie labels. Tapi kecewa tengok design yang tak seberapa, dan tak cukup strong concept yang cuba disampaikan melalui design korang.
Contohnya, guna ayat2 macam "Stupid dam dam you berak keluar ketam", lebih kurang cam tu, atau "Mak aku kata mak kau ronggeng". Yang bagus, korang design la gak font tu, nampak cantik, composition pon okay, tapi ayat yang digunakan tu agak meraban? I mean, meraban memang menarik, but come on, kenapa tak boleh come up with something yang lebih mencabar minda and tolonglah jangan guna perkataan seperti 'berak' atau yang kurang beradap macam 'mak kau'.
IT IS NOT COOL. Macam mana parents nak sokong anak2 mereka, or orang awam nak appreciate apa yang kita lakukan kalau baca slogan2 macam ni kat t-shirt. Kita dengan bangga pulak tu pakai!
Yeah, mungkin tak senang nak come up with dengan kata2 yang menarik dan mencabar minda. So kalau tak boleh, tak payah. Pikirkan design lain, come up with a better idea. Cuba main ngan unsur2 dan elemen grafik. Lagi bagus tak guna tulisan langsung. CABAR KREATIVITI KORANG!!!!!
And, now I HEART KL. Okay, memang menarik, kualiti printing dan tshirt produk ni memang bagus. TAPI, ni dah tiru bulat2 design I HEART NY.
You guys are designers!! Be innovative. And dont' say 'if the formula works, why change it?'. Kalau macam tu, sesapa pon boleh buat 'I HEART KL' dan kata macam tu jugak.
Cuba tengok ni http://www.threadless.com/product/1068/I_Love_Coffee
Submission design kat threadless.com. I heart coffee. Kalau korang perasan, heart tu, adalah sebenarnya cawan, dan diorang takda tulis coffee pon tapi digantikan dengan titisan air kopi. NOW THAT'S HOW A DESIGNER SHOULD THINK AND BE DESIGNING!!
Mungkin korang boleh ubah perkataan KL tu menyerupi KL twin towers ke. Or instead of KL, ganti je ngan twin towers. Come one guys, you have brains, use it!
Kalau korang nak anti Anna because of this pon, dipersilakan. Anna bukan nak menjatuhkan korang. But ni untuk bebudak lain nak buat clothing labels. Design tu kena ambik masa, pikir concept, pikir tema, pikir kenapa nak guna kaler merah ke hijau ke, kenapa nak guna font impact dan bukan times new roman. Semua tu penting!!
Korang tolong pergi ke threadless.com. Study design diorang, baca tajuk design tshirt diorang, dan kaitkan dengan grafik kat tshirt tu. Semua ada kaitian. Korang punya tshirt ada tajuk? Or adakah tajuk tshirt tu sama ngan tulisan kat tshirt u. If you answered YES, baik takyah.
Boleh katakan, hampir semua design kat sana takda pon tulis2 kata2 kat atas tshirt. Banyak bermain dengan grafik. Kalau korang tak mampu nak buat macam tu, tak payah! Tolonglah cabar minda korang tu sikit. Jangan pakai tibai je nak buat, guna brush sana sini, font sana sini, doodle tah apa apa, then hantar pergi print and jual! JANGAN JANGAN JANGAN.
Anggapkan tshirt tu satu seni. Satu design pon dah cukup, tak yah banyak2 asalkan design tu betul2 diteliti dan dipikir dan di design elok2. Berhari2 nak siap satu design pon takpa. Take your time. Jangan sebab nak jual kat art event, nak kena buat satu design cepat tuk jual. Kayuh perlahan-lahan.
Mungkin ada yang tanya, 'eleh cakap senang, asal ko tak wat design'. SEBAB Anna rasa Anna masih belum mampu come up with a design yang cukup bagus untuk dijual dan dipakai. Anna memang ada niat nak buat, tapi tunggulah, dan harap2 dapatlah buat design yang baik. Dan ini satu cabaran buat Anna sebab to come up with a good design, bukanlah mudah. Jadi, macam Anna cakap, kalau tak boleh. Tak payah.
Don't waste your money, or other peoples money. Kita dah ada peluang untuk design tshirt sendiri, gunakanlah peluang ni baik baik. TOLONGLAH korang.
Buat berkali kalinya, pergi ke threadless.com, tengoklah design diorang, betapa telitinya hasil diorang. BANDINGKAN dengan design bebudak clothing kita kat Malaysia ni.
Kita kena tingkatkan KUALITI dan bukan KUANTITI.
Dahla, takat ni je. Kalau Anna menyinggung mana2 pihak, Anna mintak banyak2 maaf. I'm just being honest. Kita kena cabar diri sendiri untuk buat lebih baik, kalau diorang boleh buat kenapa tak kita? Pikirkan tu! WHY NOT! Janganlah malas sangat, kena rajin sket bila design tu, kalau susah pon, teruskan, usahakan. Yakin boleh!
Yang ikhlas,
Sue Anna Joe.
p/s: kalau korang setuju, sila sebarkan bulletin ini pada rakan-rakan taulan.
p/s: kalau tak puas hati, silalah berbincang dengan saya
p/s: kalau benci, delete je saya dari friend list kamu
saya tetap sayangkan kamu semua. mwahs! ahax.
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*i heart kl to sue anna joe*
To Sue Anna Joe... :)
U might don't now us... so... here's our side of the story... we're business graduates, so, we know deep about business... yes, u can sell artsy fartsy designs on t-shirt, we respect that, and we know the great feelings when u see someone wears your artwork (we just sold some hand painted tees today)... But, at the end of the day, what keeps u going... is money.... DOn't say that "we don't need money, bla bla bla".... coz, simply put, money is everything.... yes... money can't buy happiness... but, money can ENSURE happiness.... Disagree?... contact us!... So we heard u thought that we're 'budak2 baru nak up'... Hehehe... yeah, we're new.... but, we have started this thing waaayyyyyyy back in 2006.... not as long as Pop Malaya or Suicidal Cothing... but, yeah... longer than any of the newbies in the industry... Do u know how we sold the tee shirt initially?.... we wen't to places such as Bukit Bintang, bawak bundut, bukak kat depan Planet, pastu jual.... Kena halau Pak guard, DBKL, and polis.... If that's not indie or DIY, we don't know what is.... feel free to surf for blogs that featured about this... Maybe u thought that we're budak mentah because we only joined Myspace in August... and our first event was at Culturecite... And, it has been a roller coster ride ever since.... we met some good friends from the indie clothing lable scene... Yeah, u guys rock dudes!!!!.... Ayim, ko nampak jambu takde janggut doh!... And, the tee shirt is selling like hot cakes... People love it, so, we supply it.... basic economic theory... Supply and demand... if the people don't wanna buy it anymore, we'll stop!... takkan nak pakai sendiri 200 helai kot kan?.... About the design and formula thingie... Memang kalau the formula works, sume orang pon boleh terus print and jual... buatr lah!... pernah ke kitorang marah?.... Shut Up skateboard company buat lepas kitorang buat, pernah ke kitorang marah?.... cafepress buat, pernah ke kitorang maki?... Suicidal buat... DaYN siap beli lagi... Even ade satu lable baru ni, Berdiri Duduk nak buat, kitorang galakkan... As long as, font lain skit.... jgn bagi same.... mmg la hak korang nak pakai ape2 font, tapi, kitorang dah pakai dulu kan, so, agak2 aaahhh... kalau design korang kena ciplak, maraahhhh.... tak kisah la I Heart KL ke, KB ke, JB ke, tolong la pakai font lain.... as Sue Anna said la kan.... download la font yg beribu tu..... even original NY pon pakai font lain.... Yeah, we know, it's a rip off... we even admit it anytime anywhere.... But, hey, org suke kan, so, pegi mati lah... London ade, Hong Kong ade, Amsterdam ade.... tadi kat PWTC, I Heart PD pon ade siot!... nice work man!.... Giordano pon ade buat kan... MNG pon ade! Louis Vuitton pon ade!!!!... taknak pegi maki diorang?.... kenape?.... sebab diorang besar?... ke sebab kite same2 Melayu?... so berani la... Come on la... we're in the same scene... KL ni kecik je.... mane ade scene lain.... what u're doing, u're messing with people's periuk nasik... U have a big influence in the scene... people respect U... even WE respect U... nak tegur hari tu kat Bukit Kiara pon takut... So, whatever u say, people will listen and believe... By doing this, u're discouraging other emerging lables... Yeah, we know, somtimes crap appears... Mintak tunjuk ajar la, tanye kat mane nak beli t-shirt la... It's annoying.... when we started, we don't know anything... But we did our own research, and we turn out good... rase-rasenyelah kan.... Korang yg budak2 baru ni pon, jgnla camtu... seriously, alasan takde nak buat ape2 lepas SPM tu, takleh pakai la... buat sebab ade passion... and put in some commitment... what sue anna joe said was true... we need quality, not quantity... Yeah sue anna, we agree with u also... we don't want to be your enemy... But, u're biased also la... u said u want originality from us... jgn tiru orang... but u keep comparing with threadless.... kat situ takde pakai wordings la.... so what?... maybe itu akan jadi trademark scene Malaysia... Saya Jiwa Kosong?.... people like it.... people buy it.... they don't complain... it's simple, and nice.... Macam baju 'I;m with stupid' tu.... taknak condemn ke?.... Sebab designer die bukan Malaysian?... Kenape mesti macam tu eh?.... kalau mat saleh buat, tarahalllllll.... boleh gelak2... kalau Malaysian buat, terusssss kutuk... typical typical...
Perenggan baru pulak.... Yeah, some people can anggap tee-shirt is art... But, u have to remember, not all people is and artist like u and your propaganda friends... A business is a business... every business needs to have a market research, and R&D... That's what ABM is for... to help lables that are good and profit oriented... and know their market... yeah, art is good, art is fascinating.... But, some people just want simple designs... something that needs (theory that i created) a 5 seconds analysis theory.... Designs that doesn't take more than 5 seconds to be understood... We provide what the market wants.... wanna compare sales figure?.... heh heh heh.... It's nice though knowing that Zul is promoting ABM.... the people in the group are like minded people who have all the nescessary talents to be business people.... Ooooh yeah... about the bagi artist pakai baju tu.... ni kes Noh la ni... Wei, do u know the concept of endorsement and sponsorship?... Adidas, Nike, Quiksilver, Coke, gile banyak nak sebut... sume pon sponsor artist kan?... WOng lo keat pon sponsor si chef tu kan?... So, ape salahnye org indie lable kite?... itu strategy diorang la... Tgk macam jiwa Kosong.... lepas Noh pakai, beratus habis.... Die yg untung.... Noh pon dapat pakai baju free... kalau kite bising2, die gelakkkk je aahhhh.... tak gitu?.... as we said earlier.... at the end of the day, money matters... it's what keep u waking up in the morning, get up, and work... right?.... anda setuju?... tak?.... seriously?.... then message us... u got problem dude!.... Giler, orang pakai baju kitorang pegi gig pon kena marah.... sian diorang... dah beli baju, takleh pakai.... tapi mmg diorang cool pon... Thanks myspacers yg pakai baju kitorang weekend nih di PWTC!....
OK.... now we wanna create another issue.... Music... Band... Indie... haaaaaaaaaaaaa hehehehe... What about the quality of the bands nowadays..... kenape ada banyak band2 baru, dan some of them tak berkualiti.... haprak.... Jumping the bandwagon... nampak orang ade band, die pon nak ade band... adakah cool to be in a band?... What about quality?.... we need quality poeple!!!!! not quantity!!!!!!.... (serious kitorang akan kena hentam balik lepas ni kan heh heh heh)... But anyhow, kitorang dah lameeeee in the music scene... wayyyyyy back doh.... so seriously, don't undermine our opinions about u.....
So Sue Anna Joe, kitorang pon taknak bermusuhan.... kite gerak same2, pegang bendera yg same.... kenape nak berpuak2 kan?.... let's have coffe together... and yeah, we still respect u and like u... no harms done.... :)
P/S: This is our friend's message; "lazy people earn money, stupid people collect money, lazy+stupid people make money".... serious it wasn't us!
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To Sue Anna Joe from I Heart KL . (macam ni baru besssh!!)
Body: Hey, now this is what I'm talking about. :) Response dari I Heart KL. This is the way, everyone has their own story. In the end, it's all about understanding one another.
And with this response from them, I Heart KL, you have all my respect. I heart korang. mwahs!!
Okay, baca kat bawah ni, Anna paste.
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(mcm i heart kl ckp td kt atas)
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*i heart kl to sue anna joe*
Final thoughts from I Heart KL
Dah dah... it's over... takde benda yg nak dibisingkan lagi from any sides.... Sue Anna, thanks for bringing this thing up... U made our eyes and people's eyes open... Thank you very much, we value that... It's bold of u to start it off, and u were rite one in most things... yeah, we need action like this to straighten up the industry... But maybe a bit too harsh and too public(?).... to us, it's bad PR and bad publicity... But anyways, we're cool with u yaw, rite from the start of this thing... I hope u're cool with us also... To other lables yg termakan cili, if u have something to say, say it quick.... Nak habis cepat... then, the public can weigh down all opinions... It's their right though.... and their opinions matters, coz they're the ones who's gonna buy our t-shirts...
So, indie lable guys, we believe Sue Anna has some good points for us to ponder... Respect her opinions as she's been in the scene long enough... And please please please, respect other lables that were formed longer than yours.... coz we can see that respect is lacking.... Time PWTC semalam, and any other event lah... Budak2 baru cam taknak datang tegur orang lain pon... especially non ABM... c'mon la... takkan bile nak push lable masuk ABM, baru nak memperkenalkan diri... ade tu siap lage2 kerusi lagi kat booth, tapi taknak tegur....
To some other people who fucked everybody in one of the comments, please tell us what is the real meaning of D.I.Y or indie... if u use the real word literally, it means self done kan?... pretty much like us kan?... indipendent clothing lable kan?... hmmm.... ni sume kes miscommunication and salah faham ni.... dah banyak issue pulak... that's okay... Listen up guys, this is our final words, if u start to have enemoes or haters, that means u're successful.... wahahaha.... (nak sedapkan hati)...
P/S: We Heart u Sue Anna Joe... and yes, we heart tetek also.... >;-)
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*sue anna joe to i heart kl*
Masih ada rasa sayang. We're all in this together OK!!
Masih ada rasa sayang. We're all in this together ok!
Waduh,
Sungguh panas ini myspace ya? Ha ha. Sandiwara semasa. Anyways, kami suma sedang berdiskusi secara baik-baik, tiada persengketaan atau saling membenci, cuma terasa hati sana sini.
Kami suma, like a big family. Kritikan kami beri bukan maksud benci atau anti. Mostly because we care. Cara yang kasar, kejam? Mmm, yeah. Kami bukan nak suruh korang boikot, stop buying their products. If you like em, go ahead. Jangan kami menjadi penghalang, Anna pon tak suka nak jatuhkan bisnes orang. Dapat duit tu pon kat diorang bukan corporate company yang dah kaya raya.
Cuma, we're hoping that the quality of design akan lebih diteiti for future products. Anna akan terus menyokong label2 indie yang wujud, and memandangkan dah luahkan perasaan ni, next time, boleh berterus terang dan berikan pendapat. Terima atau tak, terpulang. Lagipun, benda visual adalah subjektif, cuma bila dah ada lebih dari sorang dua bersuara mengenai isu yang sama, there must be something wrong somewhere dan harus diambil perhatian.
As for the bands yang baru muncul (termasuk saya), dan bebudak yang into art & photography, duk bawak DSLR or lomo sana sini, pon harus jaga kualiti anda dan bukan kuantiti. Kita dah ambik remeh sebab mudah sangat nak buat band, nak amik gambar then edit2 sket. Because of the digital age.
Kalau dulu, nak promote band pon payah, kena betul2 power, usahakan untuk perform sana sini, nak distribute demo/ep/album pon agak leceh banding skang, myspace je, amp ke. Sangat mudah.
Gambar plak, mentang2 boleh delete. Suka suka snap, tanpa memikirkan betul2 dulu outcome yang nak. Dan kalau tak brapa elok pon boleh nak edit dalam Photoshop. Terlalu-lalu mudah.
Yang buat tshirt bertahun-tahu lepas, takdanya nak hantar kedai print. Suma masing2 betul D.I.Y, slikscreen. Buat pakai tangan. That's why satu2 design sangat berkualiti. Leceh dan makan masa nak buat.
Kita dah jadi malas. Suma nak buat pon dah senang skang. Don't take things for granted.
Cara Anna mungkin kasar, mungkin sebab terlalu passionate pasal benda ni jadik naik angin. And when I was a teenager, Anna tersangatlah 'wannabe'/'poseur'. Rasa cam nak lempang diri sendiri jek pikir2 balik.
Jadi Anna mintak maaf. Tapi, Anna dah tak mampu nak berdiam diri, asyik dok pendam, terus meletup. Huhuhu. So, sapa tak puas hati, jum settle luar, sambil layan teh tarik ke apa. O yeah.
Yang ikhlas,
Anna
p/s: kalau jumpa kat luar tu tegur2 la ye, anna ni blur sket kekadang tu, and sangatlah penyegan dan pemalu. bukan sombong taw. aww!
(SEMUA INI HANYA UNTUK MEMBERI KESEDARAN DAN UTK MEMBUKAK BIJIK MATA. X ADA SDIKIT PON RASA NAK BURUK2 MANA PEHAK. UNDERSTANGG!!)
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sbenanyakan dlu aku ada gak nk wat clothing label sendri n siap da design2 nye. tp aku nk come out dgn label aku sndri pon on dat time da x kna gaya da sbb kontroversi neh. brla timbul kesedaran dalam diri aku ni. huhu. so aku quit. nk blaja lagi design2 ni. tu 1st reason aku quit. 2nd bajet xde. 3rd kawan aku 'sham' jao sgt di kl n payah nk wat keje. lg pon kami 2 org je pon yg usahakan. payah beb. xde org.. so ni la fosil2 sejarah aku. haha. SOOO CIPLAKING.
(hehe senangnya aku tuleh blog. amek apa yg org tuleh n comment2 sket. nk wat lg ah. hahaha)